Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] Hercules (1997) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests. It was entered by Jenny W. on 2010-04-11 03:24:38.



Jenny W. said:
This movie is male-dominated, but it technically passes. The Muses sing to each other about the gods, and the Grey sisters squabble amongst themselves about whether they should reveal the future to Hades.
Message posted on 2010-04-11 03:24:38
Renee disagreed with the rating and said:
The muses (unnamed) sing about the gods (which involves male figures), and the fates (unnamed) argue about whether or not to reveal the future to Hades. These points don't follow the criteria at all.
Message posted on 2010-06-17 09:07:18
Natalie said:
The muses are named, though not mentioned in the film. However, you can grasp that they have individual names from the individual looks and personality paid to each muse. It's clear some time went into their individual developments.

And they do sing about Gods. And, yes, the Gods are predominately male. But they are Gods. So they're discussing religion (which, guessing from their gospel-inspired soundtrack, would be rather unitarian).
Message posted on 2010-07-27 15:04:09
Natalie said:
Not to mention Megara shares a song (very much in dialogue form) with the Muses that is layered. While it can be argued that the song ("I Won't Say") is about a man (Hercules), it could also be argued that the song is about opening oneself to love.

But that one may be understandably, on the fence.
Message posted on 2010-07-27 20:36:40
Renee said:
As for the conversations involving Gods: the gods are not exclusively male. Talking about a mixed-gender group does not count as talking about a man.
Message posted on 2012-07-22 17:27:04
Amanda disagreed with the rating and said:
The muses are unnamed therefore any conversations they have don't pass the first test, the fates talk about revealing the future to Hades, which fails the third test,and Meg only talks to the muses, which fails the first and second test sense the muses don't have names, as per mentioned before, and they are talk/singing about confessing her love for Hercules.
Message posted on 2013-07-09 22:00:14
Sam said:
While not given their explicit, traditional Greek names, the Fates definitely introduce themselves with the names Past, Present, and Future (indoor plumbing. It's gonna be big).

And they most definitely discuss things amongst themselves. What's more, Meg and the Muses (although not explicitly named in the film, they have very explicit names in Wikipedia, due to their widespread fame outside of the film).

Then, of course, there's the discussions about "the gods," which is an exclusive, multigendered group differentiated by a quality that had nothing to do with genitalia (immortality). This is no more "talking about a man" than any other description of a historical society. You certainly wouldn't disqualify a pair of female historians discussing...I don't know, Egyptology with each other to "not count" because there were **men** in ancient Egypt.

That's just silly. At the minimum, this is a 3/3 (dubious). At best, it's a 3/3. Anything lower is simply a denial of the facts.
Message posted on 2014-02-04 11:44:15
Rémy said:
Muses never have conversations. They talk and sing together to us!
And their sings are about Zeus, Adhes and Hercules... mens!
Message posted on 2014-04-10 19:21:48
Lake said:
The Fates are not necessarily named in the movie, I think. They introduce themselves as:

“We know everything!” “Past…” “…present…” “…and future!”

…which could be a roll call, or just each of them stating which part of the timeline they have dominion over. Given that their names are different in Greek mythology (Lachesis, Clotho, and Atropos), I’m tempted to say it’s the latter.
Message posted on 2017-01-15 16:05:28
Julie said:
I definitely think that the Muses' songs and the conversation between the Fates counts towards this test being passed. The Muses are a highly well known group in Greek mythology. Their distinct personalities are all well shown, even if it is only 5 out of the 9 muses in Greek mythology. Aside from just that, though they do not go in order and list out their names in the movie, they are credited with the names of the Muses they represent. The Fates are similar. They didn't say each of their names but when the voice actors are credited they write out the names of the individual fates they voiced. I am willing to bet good money that the reason that they didn't have either group list out their names is because some of their names are incredibley difficult to pronounce and would be both forgettable and also confusing to kids watching. One of the Fates is named Lachesis. Two of the muses are named Melpomene and Terpsichore. This might be a bad comparison, but in Game of Thrones there are a massive amount of side characters with weird names that get listed off, and even as obsessed as I am with that show, I can't remember at least a quarter of them. I think they didn't individually name those characters in the dialogue just because they might be made less memorable if they had some sort of lengthy preamble that named them all.
Message posted on 2017-07-09 17:56:20
may disagreed with the rating and said:
I disagree with the rating because the muses sing about Hercules, which is a man. This does not pass the test. therefore Hercules does not pass the Bechdel Test.
Message posted on 2019-03-19 21:33:37

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