Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] Captain America: Civil War (2016) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests. It was entered by Llewelyn on 2016-04-28 12:41:35.



Llewelyn said:
The movie has at least two named female characters (Scarlet Witch, Black Canary, Sharon Carter) but they don't talk to each other (The closest they get is when Black Widow addresses Scarlet Witch who responds by speaking to the group).
Message posted on 2016-04-28 12:41:35
Lydia said:
Black Widow, not Black Canary!
Message posted on 2016-04-30 12:26:41
alpha said:
Miriam (played from Alfre Woodard) threats Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow to go out of the way of her and the King T’Challa.
Message posted on 2016-05-01 14:11:24
FireHazard said:
Early in the opening scenes, Captain America, Scarlet Witch and Black Widow have a brief discussion through earpieces about surveillance. While the reason for this discussion is their trap for Crossbones, the two women speak directly to each other about Scarlet Witch's relative inexperience. Barely a conversation, but I think this one passes by a hair.
Message posted on 2016-05-03 10:45:59
Llewelyn said:
Natasha never said anything to Miriam (Who wasn't named in the film, only in the credits) so that doesn't count.

Scarlet Witch never responded directly to Black Widow. She addressed the the entire team. I doubt that counts.
Message posted on 2016-05-04 03:09:56
Thegreatnick said:
Also passed the Person of Colour Bechdel Test - War Machine and Falcon talk to each other during the conversation about the Sokovia accords
Message posted on 2016-05-05 10:01:34
Llewelyn said:
@Lydia Oops! Sorry about that. I always mix their names up.
Message posted on 2016-05-06 04:38:03
Victor said:
During one of the first scenes in the movie, Natasha and Wanda do exchange a brief conversation. Natasha gives Wanda some advice, I believe, to which Wanda replies "You guys know I can move things with my mind, right?", to which Natasha replies back that she lacks experience, or something of the sort.

The conversation is over a communication link in which Sam and Steve are included, so I can see how somebody might interpret Wanda's line as being directed towards everybody if they're just reading the script on paper, but in the context of the actual film I think it's pretty clear her response is directed at least primarily at Natasha.
Message posted on 2016-05-06 07:34:50
Lynn said:
Natasha and Wanda have a conversation early in the film regarding surveillance. It's not flying colors, but the film does pass.
Message posted on 2016-05-06 18:00:55
silentchujo said:
Miriam (played from Alfre Woodard) is actually the woman at the elevator in the beginning that Tony speaks to. The woman who threatens Natasha is unnamed.
Message posted on 2016-05-06 22:27:20
Mike said:
I thought that the interaction in the beginning with Wanda and Natasha was enough to pass. Pity though, with so many women showcased in this movie I thought that they would do better.
Message posted on 2016-05-07 00:45:34
burritomouth said:
Wanda and Natasha are named, and they definitely talk to each other. Their discussion isn't about a man, per se, but about their mission and skills Wanda needs for Avenging. The conversation isn't just between the two of them, though, so hard call.
As to if their conversation is about a man, I got the impression that the "talk about a man" thing was if they were talking about a specific man, like when the Tony's ex and current girlfriends talk about him in Iron Man 3, or when Darcy and Jane talk about Thor in Thor.
I would say it passes, as Wanda's line wasn't about a man in this sense, but about an obstacle in their mission.
Message posted on 2016-05-08 03:24:06
Jeremy said:
Yeah, Romanoff and Maximoff have a conversation about topics other than a man at the beginning of the film. The film passes at least 2/3 and I'd argue 3/3.
Message posted on 2016-05-08 04:01:27
Michael Indo said:
This movie passes and it's not even debatable. Black Widow and Wanda discuss tactics for taking down the terrorists that they're after.
Message posted on 2016-05-08 15:06:38
neil (webmaster) said:
I've updated the rating from 1/3 to 3/3.
Message posted on 2016-05-08 19:38:11
Jessie disagreed with the rating and said:
When scarlet replies to black widow she says "you guys" so she's addressing the group
Message posted on 2016-05-09 13:44:43
Kara disagreed with the rating and said:
they're talking about surveilling a man, which means that their incredibly brief discussion is still centered on the male figure.
Message posted on 2016-05-09 20:12:39
Llewelyn disagreed with the rating and said:
Batman vs Superman is currently listed as failing even though there's a scene where two named female characters talk to each other directly about something other than a man yet it still fails. I don't see how Scarlet Witch not addressing Widow directly counts.
Message posted on 2016-05-10 16:27:03
Ryan said:
Meh, I'd say it's a pass. Scarlet Witch is replying to Black Widow, even though she says "you guys". I compare it to when my boss called me out for driving the forklift with no certification, to which I replied "you guys know I have my operators licence, right?" I was replying to her personally, but used the term "you guys" to describe the rest of the organization that, along with her, should have been aware of my qualifications.
Message posted on 2016-05-11 17:32:08
Ryan said:
Meh, I'd say it's a pass. Scarlet Witch is replying to Black Widow, even though she says "you guys". I compare it to when my boss called me out for driving the forklift with no certification, to which I replied "you guys know I have my operators licence, right?" I was replying to her personally, but used the term "you guys" to describe the rest of the organization that, along with her, should have been aware of my qualifications.
Message posted on 2016-05-11 17:32:15
Russ said:
For a film of this stature, it was painful to see how the women were treated. Even the three who fought were often ignored or sidelined, compared with the dozen or so men in the action sequences. This is a moral fail for me, whether or not that tiny moment of group conversation at the beginning counts officially (women sit in cafes on phones. Men are doing surveillance. Classy).
Message posted on 2016-05-14 07:28:06
Jen said:
The test is whether two (named) women speak to each other about not a man or men, not whether any men are listening in or interrupt or may have some amount of involvement in the topic the women are actually speaking about.

Wanda/Scarlet Witch talks about her telekinetic powers. Natasha/Black Widow says Wanda's inexperienced. Neither directly mention a man in saying so. A clear pass!
Message posted on 2016-05-16 06:02:51
fleming said:
There are only two women fighting in the action sequence (Agent 13 is not there so it's normal to not see her ;) ). And, in my opinio, they both participate in the battle like the others: Black Widow has a good fight against hawkeye ... before logically disappear because she is before the Quinjet to stop Captain America.

For the group conversation, there is no discrimination: they are ALL doing surveillance. Black Widow is a spy, this is a good role for her to be in this cafe, hiding in the crowd but being close to the action. Better than making the observation distance like soldiers (Captain America and Falcon). She makes a detailed analysis of the situation that proves she is not just "drinking coffee"
Message posted on 2016-05-19 17:16:47
Victor said:
I agree with fleming. The four heroes that were present at that scene were Natasha, Wanda, Steve, and Sam. Of them, Natasha has by far the most experience with deception and espionage and is the logical choice to conducting her surveillance up close and incognito. Wanda follows as the second most logical because her abilities and assets are psychic and entirely independent of gear or fancy gadgets, so she can remain inconspicuous while at full power. Steve and Sam stay away and out of sight because they're much more conspicuous with their uniforms, gear, and gadgets.

There's definitely something to be said, sure, about which heroes get to have their power sets and personas canonized by visual symbols of authority like costumes and which heroes are portrayed as "seemingly weak" by comparison (Wanda hasn't even gotten her code name yet), but at least within the context of the story and the characters' individual abilities, it does make sense.

That's also not to say the MCU couldn't definitely do better when it comes to their female characters, just that I don't find anything particularly telling about this scene.
Message posted on 2016-05-25 03:29:28
Jason disagreed with the rating and said:
It fails miserably in the spirit of the test, if not the actual letter of the law too. This was a long movie and we are only debating about one line that maybe counts? And as I watched it, I thought it was *about* their pursuit of a man/their ability to catch him. So to me, the subject of the dialogue is a man.
Message posted on 2016-06-06 01:02:50
Victor said:
Jason, there is no "spirit of the test". The Bechtel test is not and has never been a measure of whether any individual film has "enough" female presence or even whether that presence is positive or respectable. That is simply not its purpose. Its purpose is to demonstrate a trend across the medium and industry as a whole, and it continues to do just that.
Message posted on 2016-06-12 20:17:31
aikugur disagreed with the rating and said:
For me it fails. There is not conversation between two women, but between a group of two women and a man and they talk about how to stop a man. If nobody finds another scene in the movie it totally fails.
Message posted on 2016-11-11 14:14:43
Jess disagreed with the rating and said:
There is no interaction between 2 female characters throughout the entire movie, apart from in groups, which goes against what a female superhero should stand for. Hope, strength, the confidence to do anything because you are female. Your sex doesn't define you even if you are shoved into a much tighter lycra suit that him.
Message posted on 2016-11-11 22:14:48

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