Tiana talks to her mother about her dream to open a restaurant, and Mama Oldie talks to her about her future and her happiness.
Message posted on 2009-12-12 19:58:20
Roger said:
But when she talks to her mom, it's about fulfilling her FATHER'S dream of opening a restaurant. A male is still at the center of it all.
However, when Tania talks to the witch-doctor in the swamp, I don't recall it having anything to do with any men. She just wanted to get her human form back. So that counts, I think.
Message posted on 2010-07-16 09:31:25
erica said:
mama odie's whole thing is sortof about how tiana needs to accept that she's in love. however, tiana is asked by a friend to go dancing at one point, and does talk about her restaurant with her blonde friend without mentioning her father, so I think it still counts.
Message posted on 2010-07-31 04:30:14
Renee said:
I don't think that whole thing with Mama Odie had anything to do with her being in love. Tiana had forgotten all the time she'd spent with her father and focused only on how hard he worked to get the restaurant. I think Mama Odie was trying to point out that being with those she loved (friends and family) is just as important as attaining one's goals in life.
Message posted on 2010-09-04 21:25:45
Lydia said:
Nah, Erica's right. The entire point of Mama Odie's musical number is that Tiana needs to allow herself to fall in love. That is the focus of the movie, actually.
Message posted on 2010-10-23 17:23:11
Rozax said:
I'm sorry, but I think Mama Odie's lesson was a little more two-dimensional than telling Tiana, "You need to realize that you are in love with this man that you JUST met." Of course, the average viewer is only intent on the love story in any movie.
Message posted on 2012-01-14 03:51:15
Perfectly Idiomatic said:
I thought this movie was beautifully empowering for women! Tiana wants to run her own restaurant, and succeeds where a man failed in doing so- she doesn't just want to get married and live easily. Unlike Charlotte, who actually learnt that that was wrong. Also, at the end, she's told she can only have a love life or a career and she shoves it back in their face and takes both, and actually assumes power over her husband in doing so, since she's employing him. I think this film is fantastically feminist.
Message posted on 2012-03-14 13:48:32
Hannah said:
Charlotte and Tiana have a conversation in the former's room about their friendship and how their dreams will come true, for the both of them.
Message posted on 2017-09-14 13:36:37
Nae disagreed with the rating and said:
I do think the film is feminist only because the whole movie was NOT focused on her falling in love, but Tiana fulfilling her dream and striving for what she dreamed of sure the movie did have a male who she was bound to fall in love with the prince but that not the point she had dreams and at the end she wanted to be her own boss which she did and that empowering for females stating that we can be our own boss despite the help of a man.
Message posted on 2017-09-14 15:52:52
Jen said:
Tiana tells Stella (the dog) that she (as a frog) is Tiana. Stella is surprised and asks, "Tiana?"
Message posted on 2021-04-23 02:29:03
Christine said:
The movie more than passes the Bechdel Test. To comment on Mama Odie's song: Mama Odie was not necessarily talking about romantic love, as in between Tiana and Naveen, but love, in general. It comes up later when Tiana is about to beat the villain (BY HERSELF, I might add.) She said her daddy didn't get everything he wanted, but he HAD what he NEEDED, referring to his family. Yes, "Dig a Little Deeper" comes down to a roundabout way of saying you've had the power to go home all along if only they'd just realize they're in love, get married and kiss already, BUT it's more a song about how money can't buy happiness (i.e. Naveen's yearning for wealth but being overcome by seeing Tiana dancing which she says she never does and Tiana working herself to death to get her restaurant but needing to be shown that while her father worked hard, he was loving.) Please forgive these run-on sentences.
Anyway, the movie doesn't end with the magical kiss, cut to credits. After Tiana gets the prince, they then roll up their sleeves and work together to achieve HER dream. It's wonderful. Now if only Tiana got to spend most of the film as a human . . .
Furthermore, Tiana and Lotte have conversations about that involve Lotte excitedly hiring Tiana to cater her party, memories of their childhood, and how one cannot simply wish on stars to instantly fix problems. Eudora also reads to the little girls as she's working on a dress for Lotte and scolds them to stop teasing the cat. Mama Odie and Tiana discuss the gumbo and how to improve it.