Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] The Counselor (2013) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests. It was entered by Rodrigo Ortiz Vinholo on 2013-10-26 23:27:57.



Rodrigo Ortiz Vinholo said:
The movie has Malkina (Cameron Diaz) and Laura (Penélope Cruz) as important characters. At the beginning, the two meet and have a long dialog in which they talk about diamonds, relationships, life, religion and sex. It does involve men at some points, but mostly, it's about other topics.
Message posted on 2013-10-26 23:27:57
Matt said:
There is a conversation that lasts for about a minute between Malkina and Laura about the engagement ring that Laura has. Malkina inspects the ring and tells her information about how many carats it is, and asks if she wants to know how much it cost. This could be dubious because obviously Laura got the ring from the Counselor, but he's not really mentioned during this part of the conversation at all.
Message posted on 2013-10-29 04:28:21
Kerpowski said:
There is a scene that has nothing to do with the plot (of which there is little) where the most prominent female character masturbates on a Ferrari's windshield. All my girlfriend could think of was the terrible infection the buggy, dust-covered windshield would give.
Message posted on 2013-11-03 03:40:38
Timothy said:
This rating is incorrect. The characters played by Cruz and Diaz have a conversation that does mention men, but also a number of other topics including religion. The other two ratings on this site are correct but should probably be folded into one.
Message posted on 2013-11-14 02:03:16
trina B said:
if the conversation mentions men, it doesn't count.
Message posted on 2013-12-08 12:24:33
trina B said:
If men are a part of their conversation, even if it is a long conversation, it doesn't count because they're still talking about men and relationships with them. Are there any other conversations in the movie between them that don't mention men, beyond one-liners?
Message posted on 2013-12-08 12:26:17
Rodrigo Ortiz Vinholo said:
trina B, when they talk about diamonds, life and religion, men are not involved.

Especially the diamond talk - it is strictly technical (the quality and type of diamond), and it is relevant to other parts of the movie.

I believe it passes, since it is a long conversation with several different topics - they do pause and change subjects - and men are not involved in several of them.
Message posted on 2013-12-28 21:38:38
Jen said:
As per #2 at the top of every page, the [named] women have to talk to each other. No where does it say "EXCLUSIVELY" about something other than a man. I think if we're going to score every movie fairly, there needs to be specific criteria, like, "Each woman speaks at least one [intelligible] line to the other woman." Proximity to other lines shouldn't matter unless there's a specific rule about what lines put together constitute a "conversation" per the original comic strip.
Message posted on 2014-01-08 03:16:53
James said:
There are two scenes that pass. But you could argue that they are dubious

Laura and Malkina have a conversation about Laura's engagement ring, and it takes a long time for it to directly tie into men before going off onto other directions. This scene also cleverly foreshadows that Malkina isn't just into jewels because she's a girl who likes girl things, but because she's a criminal and it is her preferred way of moving money.

In the second scene that people here haven't brought up, Malkina has an argument with a female agent after she learns she wasn't just sent to rob Brad Pitt's character, but set him up to be killed.

You could argue that they were talking about a man, but what is at stake in that conversation is business ethics and the relationship between two women. She wasn't upset that Brad Pitt personally was being killed, she didn't want to be involved in a murder period.
Message posted on 2014-03-13 15:29:33
Ben disagreed with the rating and said:
James, the "female agent" (played by Natalie Dormer) has no name in the movie. In the credits she is identified as "Blonde". I think that speaks volumes about what this movie feels about women.

Laura and Malkina conversation doesn't count either, they are talking about a man the whole time.

This movie fails The Bechdel Test, but it does pass The Does It Suck Test. Which means.... it sucks!

Message posted on 2015-01-03 22:39:29

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