Bechdel Test Movie List

In which scene do two named women have a conversation?

In the beginning Vivi talks with her coworkers. The flashback girl and her teacher, who says lesbianism is a phase, although teacher is unnamed.

I don't see *named* women talking. In the two scenes mentioned above, only Vivi is named.

Scalzi has an excellent post over at Film Critic about why this movie may be a technical fail, but probably passes in intent. www.filmcritic.com/features/2010/07/women-in-science-fiction-movies/

I agree with the rating. Although she does not technically talk with a named female character (unless she briefly says the name of one of her coworkers at the beginning) you can't say that this movie didn't provide a strong female character who was, for once, NOT driven by love.

Named women never talk to each other, except for a single time:

Helen: Aren't you glad you've got such a ruthless, implacable brute for a husband, Rosemary?
Rosemary: Yes, well-

That only gets it up to a very dubious two women talking about a man at the most; I'd argue maybe not even that, as Rosemary doesn't really say anything. A movie can't pass the "spirit" of the test anyway. If there was such a thing, a movie where the main character is constantly under sexual threat, poses in a negligee and schoolgirl outfit, and is tortured and abused by a man "for her own good" doesn't pass the spirit either. Named men talk to each other many, many times about things other than women. It's never even once the other way around. And a "strong female character who was, for once, NOT driven by love"? *spoiler* like when Evey says to V "Goodbye, my love."? And when she kisses him?

Nimravid- When does Evey ever say "Goodbye, my love," or wear a negilgee? Also, the "Rosemary and Helen" sequence is from the graphic novel and never appears in the movie.

However, the only instance I can note of two named women directly addressing each other is the conversation between Evey and her boss.

P: Evey, there you are. You are still working for me?
E: Sorry, Patricia...

@Eryn- sorry, apparently the Rosemary and Helen scene didn't make it into the movie, I did mix it with the graphic novel and my faulty memory was convinced when I checked the screenplay which still had the scene in it. And it's V who says "I fell in love with you, Evey" in the movie, not Evey; Evey just says that she misses him, dances with him, and kisses him.

She was wearing a negligee when she's going out to be a prostitute, in the scene where the cops threaten to rape her.

I didn't remember that Evey said her boss' name. I take back my disagreement, Eryn's right that it passes all three tests in the part where Evey's boss Patricia tells her to get coffee.

It is a bit of dubious pass, but I think if anything passed in spirit it is Veronica's portion where her life story is predominately about her interacting with other women, but since it's all narrated you don't get to hear conversations.

@Nimravid Evey doesn't pretend to be a prostitute in the movie either they totally cut out the class issues and made everyone pretty middle class but this isn't the place for that rant.

@Lilly

They did remove the fact that she's a prostitute before meeting V, but she does pretend to be one in the film.

In the film version she offers to help V with a target. Her role is to go to the target (the bishop) in place of the (presumably underage) prostitute he was expecting.

I think it passes, but it's dubious. Veronica "speaks to" Evey through her autobiographical letter, which is about her life and her lesbian relationships. Although the two women do not meet in person, I think it qualifies ... sort of.

SPOILER ALERT: Virtually the entire movie is two women talking about everything but men. Just because V doesn't announce that she is female when introducing herself to Evey doesn't make her any less a woman.

@Rose In her diary, the doctor refer to the future V as the man of chamber 5

@Rose V does introduce himself as a 'he' and a 'man': "I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."