Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] Black Panther (2018) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests. It was entered by YoMa on 2018-02-16 04:28:37.



YoMa said:
Several named female characters who have conversations, mostly about the villain (male) and the hero (male). Nakia and Okoye have at least one conversation which covers several topics, such as (briefly) the safety of the Queen Mother and Princess.
Message posted on 2018-02-16 04:28:37
Serpentina said:
Shuri tells Nakia to put on a military outfit stressing that it is armor when Nakia protests.
Message posted on 2018-02-24 22:24:29
Not-Sher disagreed with the rating and said:
Spoilers, obviously.

I'm actually not positive that this single conversation, the only example being given for Black Panther "shattering" the Bechdel test in many cases, is sufficient proof.

While there is a clear subtext to the conversation involving nationalism and an exploration of the value structures of both Okoye and Nakia; the actual conversation's key components are about how Nakia loves T'challa, and how she can't believe that Okoye is going to serve his usurper, who is of course male.

The conversation does touch briefly on other topics, but unless we consider topic changes to be entirely different conversations then this one doesn't meet the criteria.

I can't recall any other conversations that would qualify, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Message posted on 2018-03-03 22:04:48
Sahil said:
Wont safety of the queen also involve talking about villain directly?
Message posted on 2018-03-04 21:31:49
Marc said:
Okoye: "Get this ridiculous thing off my head".
Nakia: "Just swish it back and forth"
Message posted on 2018-03-13 19:41:03
Jeniouis said:
Two women also discuss their country, and it brings up a very thought provoking conversation of duty vs morality. There is another brief conversation, between to women, about whether an object should be passed along to an enemy or kept within the original tribe.
Message posted on 2018-03-14 22:43:54
FireHazard said:
There are a number of brief conversations between named characters that don't involve a man.

When T'Challa, Okoye and Nakia arrive in Wakanda, Okoye tells Ayo to take Nakia to the river province, and Ayo responds "Yes, General"

During the car chase scene, Nakia asks Okoye what she is doing, and Okoye tells her to just drive.

Shuri and Nakia have two exchanges during the final battle, where they briefly discuss Nakia wearing a Dora Milaje uniform and later when Shuri asks Nakia if she is okay after being injured.

They are small moments, but they all feature named female characters and aren't about a man.
Message posted on 2018-07-01 12:08:27
Damien said:
By a strict definition, Black Panther only barely passes the Bechdel-Wallace test, but only because the villain happens to be male and his tyranny dominates most of the lead characters’ psyches. One particularly poignant conversation happens between Okoye and Nakia just after Killmonger takes the throne. Nakia wants to immediately overthrow his rule, while Okoye must remain loyal to the throne. The substance of this conversation is actually the difference in station and outlook between the two women, but having this discussion without mentioning T’Challa or Killmonger would have just seemed odd. Even the scene where Shuri, Nakia, and Ramonda are fleeing to the Jabari is a fail - even though it’s a meaningful conversation that reveals much about each character (Ramonda still has zero trust for those outside her tribe, while Nakia views herself as “less than” because she is a spy in a nation that reveres warriors) the conversation fails because they mention that M’Baku May become a bigger monster than Killmonger once given the Heart-Shaped Herb.

This might be a scanty reference but I feel like Judge Dredd at the end of DREDD and the film is Judge Anderson: it fails if we stick rigidly to the letter of the law but I still want to give it a pass since it honors the spirit and the intent of the rule.
Message posted on 2019-10-08 01:40:04

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