Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] Blade Runner 2049 (2017) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests (although dubious). It was entered by Don't Mind Me Now on 2017-10-06 06:44:22.



Don't Mind Me Now said:
(Spoilers) After Joi (a female AI that manifests via hologram) enlists Mariette as a physical body to engage in sexuality, there is a short scene the following morning in which Joi dismisses Mariette, who responds by insulting Joi, saying something along the lines of "I've been inside you. There's not much there." While K is subtextually present in the conversation as the reason Joi hired Mariette in the first place, neither he nor any other male is referenced in the exchange.
Message posted on 2017-10-06 06:44:22
Schibes said:
Agree - this movie passes. Besides the Joi/Mariette scene there is also a scene where female LAPD Lieutenant Joshi confronts female replicant baddie Luv about her recent theft of evidence from the LAPD's crime lab.
Message posted on 2017-10-13 02:37:29
Kay disagreed with the rating and said:
I strongly disagree that either of the exchanges mentioned in earlier comments are not about a man. The Joshi/Luv confrontation starts with the words "Where is he?" and is exclusively about finding K (the incidental comment about the stolen evidence is part of the conversation about finding him). And the Joi-Mariette connection is so thoroughly about K that their exchange (of one sentence each, as Mariette walks out the door) doesn't contribute to passing the test. This movie clearly doesn't pass the test in spirit (and I disagree with the other two posters that it passes on technicalities).
Message posted on 2017-10-19 19:13:34
Reality Check disagreed with the rating and said:
The conversation of, "I've been inside you there's not much there" was in reference to having merged bodies to have sex with a man and the statement alone hinted at some jealously towards her due to her relationship with said man.

The conversation that referenced the bones dissapearing was centered around Love finding the man and the officer protecting the man. The statement alone was refering to bones she believed were connected to the mans birth.
Message posted on 2017-10-19 20:25:14
Jen said:
Actually, all of Joi's dialogue with Mariette is not specifically about a man.

Mariette: "Well, look at YOU!"
Joi: "Quiet. I have to synch."

Also, Joi talking to Luv counts if you consider Luv to be talking to the person she's looking at, vs. just throwing out a one-liner:

Joi: "Stop!"
Luv: "...I do hope you're satisfied with our product."
Message posted on 2017-10-20 04:10:15
Laura disagreed with the rating and said:
Disagree. They're all talking about K in each situation.
Message posted on 2017-10-23 12:09:48
Olivia disagreed with the rating and said:
Every female character in this film is either a prostitute, replicant slave, replicant sex slave, evil villainess, or any combination of these. Perhaps two females talk about something other than men, but all of the female characters are in the service of men. All are slaves, one way or another. This movie contains no human, free female characters. I do not recommend spending any money on it.
Message posted on 2017-10-23 18:09:06
Steve disagreed with the rating and said:
The Joi Marriette conversation is about Joi being done with using Marriette to have sex with K (a man). Fail. The Luv Madam conversation is about finding K (a man). Fail.
Message posted on 2017-10-23 21:06:13
Scott said:
If this is all that is needed for a film to pass, I suggest making the test a teensy bit more difficult.
Message posted on 2017-10-25 20:09:43
Claire disagreed with the rating and said:
I also disagree with the rating, for the reasons given above - all the conversations referenced between women are specifically about a man.
Message posted on 2017-10-30 17:05:21
Marcus said:
"Every female character in this film is either a prostitute, replicant slave, replicant sex slave, evil villainess, or any combination of these." No, Lieutenant Joshi (Robin Wright) is not and is not in the service of men...she is K's boss and a strong female role. Joshi-Luv scene: definitely 3 of 3.
Message posted on 2017-11-02 15:11:07
Gab disagreed with the rating and said:
The film don't past the test at all.

The scene and dialogues between Joi and Mariette only concern ''k'' well-beign. Even if the dialogues are not constantly refering to the man/replicant... it's still all about him.

@Olivia There is one free female character in the movie : Lieutenant Joshi (Robin Wright). But she's obviously found of ''K''.

Thigs to consider : I think the script volontary leaves us thinking about ''what it is to be free''. A question directly concerning replicants, AIs, and... women. Lieutenant Joshi is considering ''free'', but we understand that she constantly do things against her personnal will. So who's free?

(Original Blade Runner movie quote)

Gaff: Its too bad she wont live, but then again who does?

Message posted on 2017-11-11 18:45:50
LJ disagreed with the rating and said:
I disagree with the rating. The conversation clearly revolved around K in each of these cases. Films are not supposed to be counted as passing the Bechdel test "dubiously." That's cheating, which cheapens the test.
Message posted on 2018-01-12 05:09:21
Brendan said:
"Every female character in this film is either a prostitute, replicant slave, replicant sex slave, evil villainess, or any combination of these."

This has nothing to do with the Bechdel test. It is also incorrect as Robin Wright's character, Lt. Joshi, is a police officer.

It's set in a dystopian future; expect prostitution, slavery, and villains. (The character Luv is also more of a 'henchman' than a 'slave'. Of course, the extent to which creating conscious organisms/AI can be considered a sort of slavery is a theme touched upon in the film.)
Message posted on 2018-01-28 09:46:37
nat disagreed with the rating and said:
Joi: "Stop!" is about stopping Luv hurting K
Luv: "...I do hope you're satisfied with our product." Dismissed Joi exists and addressed K as the owner of the product.
Agreed that other interactions failed the test.
Agreed with Olivia that the majority of female characters exist to service men. Got excited with Wright but she failed to develop as a character. You can cut her out of the synopsis, or the director cut and it won't matter. Jusifying passing this test with her, next you would be saying that this is not a whitewashed piece full with a diversity of casts: one Mexican, 3 Black men and one Japanese computer. The film failed both in the spirit and in technicality to past this test. The film questioned with is real setting in a delusional simplified world, a dejavu of the original that doesnt moved 30 years into its future. The braved new world (then) that is being rebirth but this time without a soul, recalculated with the same predictable 1D archetypical variables woven in an age old arches that're done far too many times, repeating the original misdirection devices so that the twists are as predictable as the type of arches it choose to stict together. The choice of questions that it asked lack balls and its financial success will damage the future of any sci-fi to come. :'-(
Message posted on 2018-02-08 21:22:09
Rachael said:
I agree with the rating because it does pass by textbook standards, even if it's marginal.
Mariett: "Look at you!"
Joi: "Quiet, I'm tying to sync."
This is technically viable dialogue because though they are about to have sex with a man, they are not talking about him. Joi is the subject of the conversation, because Mariett is teasing her while Joi telling her to be quiet and explaining her reason for doing so.
And there is the moment between Luv and Joshi confronting each other:
Luv: "You tiny thing...You can't hold back the tide with a broom."
Joshi: "Except that I did."
Luv: "I'm going to tell mister Wallace you shot first. So I had to kill you.
Joshi: You do what you got to do"
Luv: "Madam"
Now you might argue Luv mentioning Wallace would break the third rule. But as the second rule states, it must be a conversation. A mention of Wallace is very different from a conversation about Wallace. The true subject of the conversation is Luv’s desicion on killing Joshi. As for the social issues everyone keeps bringing up, BR 2049 meant to do that because it's making a social commentary on how women are often viewed in the media and entertainment in every day life. To quote Rachael Kanes of Moviepilot: "the gender politics in Blade Runner 2049 are intentional: "The movie is about secondary citizens. Replicants. Orphans. Women. Slaves. Just by depicting these secondary citizens in subjugation doesn't mean that it is supportive of these depictions – they are a condemnation.” Director Denise Villeneuve even explained that this was on purpose: "Blade Runner is not about tomorrow; it's about today. And I'm sorry, but the world is not kind on women."
Message posted on 2018-03-01 05:19:29

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