Bechdel Test Movie List

Detective Ramirez calls Jim Gordon's wife and they have a brief conversation about the Gordon family's safety. Ramirez is however under gun point, so one might say she's only relaying a man's words and it's not actually a conversation between two women.

Having one women forced at gun point (by a man) to talk to another women does not really pass the test.

A warning does not denote an actual conversation.

If the Bechdel test is designed to elicit examples of female representation, then this films fails.

Ramirez is under gunpoint, and her actions are entirely dictated by the male puppeteer.

IF Ramirez had a conversation about what it is like being under gunpoint, then it'd pass.

The test is supposed to be about female presence in a movie. If you're only introducing female characters as a token presence, then there's no real need for them to interact. If you treat them as real characters who happen to be female, there's far more chance they'll end up actually talking to each other.

I'd be tempted to give it a pass, the word 'conversation' isn't actually part of the Bechdel test as I've read it. The second rule says they should 'talk to each other', and I think that's for a good reason.

I recall coming away from this thinking it was the most tedious macho masturbation imaginable. But anyway, on the rating itself:

"calls Jim Gordon's wife"

... Who isn't a named character. QED, surely?

"Who isn't a named character."

Her name is Barbara, and yes, they do address her by name in the film itself.

Ah, okies - I can't even remember any women except Rachel being named, and I checked Wikipedia where she was also referred to as Jim Gordon's wife.

Still inclined to agree with the above that it doesn't even get the technical pass it so little deserves because her words and actions are dictated.

Ramirez calls Gordon's wife about Gordon, who is a man. Fails.

Natasha and Rachel talk about Batman. And Batman isn't a man, he's a symbol.