Bechdel Test Movie List

/bech·del test/ n.
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[[3]] The Lego Movie (2014) [imdb]

This movie passed 3 of 3 tests. It was entered by Lemonade on 2014-02-04 01:30:23.

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Lemonade said:
Wyldstyle talks to Princess Unikitty
Message posted on 2014-02-04 01:30:23
JoKyR disagreed with the rating and said:
When, exactly, does Wyldstyle talk to Unikitty? Because all the conversations seemed pretty one sided, and directed through Emmett. As is a common refrain, please don't make this test even less rigorous than it already is.
Message posted on 2014-02-08 08:14:54
Lemonade Smith said:
Wyldstyle: You just said the word "no", like, a thousand times.
Unikitty: And there's also no consistency.

Two named women talking about something other than a man.

That said, you could reasonably argue that Unikitty is half-Unicorn half-Kitten and she isn't a woman.
Message posted on 2014-02-08 22:50:39
J.ro disagreed with the rating and said:
If the Lego figs are 'human', I'm going to have to argue that Unikitty is not a 'humnan', and doesn't meet the criteria.

Loved the movie, but while Wyldstyle was awesome as her badass ninja self in the first scene, she unfortunately ended up bloody well deferring to Batman for the rest of the movie. Disappointing, really.
Message posted on 2014-02-10 00:19:14
Nate disagreed with the rating and said:
The only interaction is between father and son. The rest of the interactions are between legos that are representative but not inherintly gendered, and all those interactions are happening within the consciousnesses of said father and son, ergo it fails.
Message posted on 2014-02-10 17:39:38
Nellie said:
Yes, but she is female identified correct?....just because she's not human does not mean that takes away her female identity.
Message posted on 2014-02-10 19:34:14
Zane said:
While neither Wyldstyle nor Unikitty are human, they are both female characters, which I believe still qualifies for passing the Bechdel Test.
Message posted on 2014-02-10 23:17:24
James said:
The father/son debate thing doesn't mean we shouldn't count Wildstyle and Uni Kitty as female for the purposes of the test, or that we shouldn't count the male lego characters as being male.

That said, it is a dubious pass. There are two female characters in the core group of heroes. But they don't have any meaningful conversations alone.

Message posted on 2014-02-11 02:59:56
Sammy said:
"The only interaction is between father and son. The rest of the interactions are between legos that are representative but not inherintly gendered, and all those interactions are happening within the consciousnesses of said father and son, ergo it fails."


That is without a doubt the stupidest argument I've ever heard on this site. And I've read the Bridesmaids entry.
Message posted on 2014-02-11 06:10:12
Kim said:
Oh really. All cartoons or animations, works of art, literature or anything which isn't a live action performance, have now been reclassified as "Failures" for the Bechdel because drawings, pictures, writings and computer graphics aren't "inherently gendered"?

The characters identify themselves as being gendered, just like anyone else. (Gender isn't a physical trait)

Also for the record, it's not taking place in the humans' consciousness. Emmett clearly has a consciousness when he's listening to them talk and even manages to jump off the desk by his own power.
Message posted on 2014-02-13 09:32:22
ARC said:
Personally, I think the argument that a film doesn't qualify because the female characters aren't women (or technically without a human sex) is splitting hairs. The Bechdel Test wouldn't be applicable to many films if that were the case, simply because they revolve around non-humans or children.

The test may use the word "woman," but it seems to me--and others--just a placeholder term for "female gender." Gender itself is often a personal identification, rather than based on biological parts. In this instance, the characters are identified as female, give no indication that they are not female, and speak to each other. Regardless of how strong they are as characters, it does pass the test on those grounds.
Message posted on 2014-02-14 21:54:27
SongArchaeology disagreed with the rating and said:
I'm sorry but are you trying to say that:

Wyldstyle: You just said the word "no", like, a thousand times.
Unikitty: And there's also no consistency.

counts as a conversation? That's so watered down that a group of characters meeting and all saying 'hi' would count as long as two were named women. That's nuts.
Message posted on 2014-02-16 04:42:40
James said:
It blows my mind how pedantic it is not to want to count gendered but non-human characters against the rule. Especially when judging a movie with few or any human characters.

If a movie is about talking frogs and two female frogs talk about baseball they passed the test.

If the movie is about talking legos and two female legos talk about how one of them doesn't like rules. Then the movie passed the test.

That said, this movie is a very dubious pass at best.
Message posted on 2014-02-16 22:31:44
Rebecca disagreed with the rating and said:
Legos are not human.

A cat-unicorn hybrid is not human.

The conversation between the two is too short.

Anyone who thinks this is a pass is not only an idiot, but also a sexist, misogynistic d-bag. This movie was obviously about men and their bond with each other while completely ignoring and degrading women. Thinking this is a feminist friendly film is ridiculous!
Message posted on 2014-02-18 18:53:36
Dr. SpaceGoat said:
Dear Rebecca,
I appreciate your defense of the human race, but unless you include other sentient beings I feel that the alien rights activists will begin to get on your case.
I also enjoyed your eloquent use of "d-bag" and accusations that anyone who would be remotely interested in a website about movie feminism would be misogynistic and sexist.
I too revel in the shunning the notion of all that is ridiculous, especially when pertaining to a children's film.
Signed, Dr. SpaceGoat, MD.
Message posted on 2014-02-18 21:52:59
Marsh disagreed with the rating and said:
Wyldstyle and Unikitty's dialogue was not a conversation. Unikitty spoke to the group as a whole when she said that there is no consistency, and besides - two lines cannot count as speaking to one another. This movie failed badly.
Message posted on 2014-02-19 08:30:32
Jane said:
The very basics of the test is that two female identified characters talk to each other about something other than a man. when going by those standards, it passes. But if you add on the 60-second conversation rule, it doesn't. so I think its good to take this rating with a grain of salt and recognize that while it is better than some films which don't even have two simple lines of dialogue between women, it is certaintly not perfect and 100% feminist friendly. There is no need to be throwing a fit, honestly. The Bechdel test is meant to be the lowest, simplest standard for gender equality. This movie passes, but only by a very small margin.
Message posted on 2014-02-20 00:21:05
Ladob disagreed with the rating and said:
There is no need to even see the movie to recognize it does not pass the test's last principle.

Just by reading the wikipedia plot resume we see there is barely any female activity in there and the said "conversation" mentioned above is clearly not between the characters but as someone else mentioned between them and the group.

I believe it is important that we try and distinguish between "...but I liked the movie" and "not passing the test". Because one can like a movie and it STILL does not pass Bechdel's test.
Message posted on 2014-02-20 10:18:08
Daniel Hofverberg disagreed with the rating and said:
Of course female lego characters must be considered "women", even though they're not human. Otherwise, 90% of all animated movies would fail because of a technicality.

That being said, in my opinion this film dpes not pass the Bechdel test. The one line Wyldstyle and UniKitty say to each other was in my opinion more to the group, and not directed to one another directly. After all UniKitty's response wasn't directed to Wyldstyle personally, but to a group of people.

The Bechdel test is already a simple test with a very low bar; there's no point in lowering the bar even more by counting short remarks made to a group of people (most of them male) as conversations between women.

Therefore, the rating should be downgraded to only passing 1 out of 3 tests (for having two named female characters).

I too like the movie, but as Ladob points out what you think of a movie has nothing to do with whether it passes the Bechdel test.
Message posted on 2014-02-20 20:05:23
sarahparry88 said:
It faaaaails big time! Also, when 'Wyldstyle' talks the main character drifts off into his own thoughts and thinks 'bla bla bla' and puts words into her mouth 'I really like you' completely trivialises her. Then at the end the main character wins her as a prize and her current boyfriend Batman just hands her over like a medal. Sends subtle but very negative messages to young men!
Message posted on 2014-03-06 19:19:16
Clare Nava said:
My 4 year old daughter made her first comment about gender after watching this film: "the girls weren't as funny as the boys". She is a very funny herself, I hope she can stay that way if she wants to.
Message posted on 2014-03-11 15:21:12
Rebecca disagreed with the rating and said:
A despicable display of misogyny if I ever saw it. NO THE TWO "FEMALES" (THEY ARE LEGOS AND HAVE NO GENDER) DO NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONVERSATION AND THIS MOVIE FAILS. I hate to say it but people need to re-evaluate what they like about this movie because it reeks of offensivde stereotypes. Wyldstyle and UniKitty are awful and set the trend that female characters are there just to make their male co-stars look better and to be trophies to be won.
Message posted on 2014-03-16 03:07:05
Sammy said:
Okay guys here is the "no consistency" scene. If you watch it, it clearly meets the criteria. Unikitty is clearly talking to Lucy, she turns to face her when she utters the line. They aren't talking as a group. It is a small interaction, but counts as "talking to each other"
Unikitty:
Here in cloud cuckoo land there are no rules. No government, no babysitters, no bedtimes, no frowny faces, no bushy mustaches, and no negativity of any time.

Lucy:You just said the word "no", like, a thousand times.

Unikitty: *Turns to Lucy* And there's also no consistensy

/watch?v=Z-LzY5SUsKw
Message posted on 2014-03-26 05:08:50
Jason said:
Yes, this passes the test, and clearly (based on Sammy's link), Unikitty addresses WyldStyle directly. The test is weak in and of itself and it should be noted that passing the test doesn't make it a movie that speaks for a feminist movement. This movie is about boys, generally for boys, and the 2 main themes of the movie are father/son relationship and non-conformity. It doesn't try to be a feminist voice, and that's ok.

The fact is, the Bechdel test doesn't require a certain number of lines of dialog, it just requires dialog. So it passes. If you want to change the test, go for it, then it will fail... And you'll feel better (?).

Generally, if we remember that passing the test does not necessarily equal a strong feminist movie, then the anger I see in these comments, calling people misogynists, etc, may be tempered.
Message posted on 2014-04-02 14:51:09
Risa disagreed with the rating and said:
One line of dialogue isn't enough to pass the test (the test is easy stop handing out brownie points to every bad screenwriter who can't even muster more than 6 words per female character), and one of the characters is an animal- from the view point of the world the movie is set in. The rating should be lowered. Also why are men even commenting on a test coined by a lesbian woman about women's portrayal in film? No it's fine ruin the test you already have anyway.
Message posted on 2014-04-11 17:08:52
Littlemunchypu said:
This movie may/may not pass the test, but the creators are unsure if it has or not, and are planning to resolve this in their sequel!
Message posted on 2014-04-11 19:31:26
OJP said:
Why are people so angry about this being given a passing rating? BY DEFINITION, it passes.

Having to qualify it by saying "she's not a human, so it doesn't count" is being even more nitpicky than the people who you're complaining about.

You can say it's not a feminist movie, sure (though I'd say Wyldstyle is a strong female character); but it passes the test whether you like it or not.
Message posted on 2014-04-17 22:30:12

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